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When It Happens Again: The Quiet Reality of Repeated Infidelity

There are certain conversations that don’t come easily. Not because we don’t have the words, but because the words carry weight. This is one of those conversations.

Infidelity is something that often gets reduced to a single moment, a mistake, a betrayal, a line crossed. But what we don’t talk about enough is what happens when it isn’t just once. What happens when it becomes a pattern? When forgiveness has already been given. When the work has already been done. And yet, somehow, you find yourself right back in the same place.

“This is the third time.”

There’s something about that sentence that changes everything. The first time, you can call it a mistake. You can wrap it in grace, in newness, in the belief that people are still figuring things out. The second time, it becomes something to fix. You lean into therapy, into communication, into the hope that if you just work hard enough, love intentionally enough, you can rebuild what was broken.

But the third time doesn’t come with the same clarity. It doesn’t come with a script. It comes with questions you can’t easily answer.

At first, the emotion that rises to the surface is anger. Not quiet frustration, but a deep, burning anger that feels almost consuming. Anger at the betrayal, yes—but also anger at yourself. How could I believe this time was different? How could I trust the process, the work, the progress? It’s a harsh internal dialogue, one that many people recognize but rarely say out loud.

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And yet, anger is only the visible part of it. Beneath it, there’s an entire landscape of emotion that isn’t as easy to name. Disappointment. Fear. Hurt. And, maybe most difficult of all, discouragement, the kind that makes you question whether you even have the energy to hope again.

Because hope, after repeated betrayal, starts to feel like a risk.

It’s natural in moments like this to turn inward, to question your own judgment. To wonder if you missed something, ignored something, allowed something. But the truth, when you slow it down, is much steadier than that. You weren’t foolish for staying. You weren’t naïve for believing. You were committed. You were fighting for something that mattered to you. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that.

What’s harder to accept is that someone else’s patterns are not something you can fix on your own. You can be on the receiving end of the damage without being the source of it.

Still, from the outside, these situations invite judgment. People are quick to say what they would have done, how quickly they would have left, how obvious the answer seems. But relationships aren’t lived from the outside. They’re built in layers, shared history, family, belief systems, the life you imagined and the life you’ve already begun to build.

The first time, forgiveness can feel aligned with who you want to be. The second time, staying can feel like an investment in healing. By the third time, you’re no longer operating from simple logic. You’re navigating something deeply human and deeply complicated. There isn’t a clean answer waiting at the end of that road, only a series of decisions that unfold over time.

What makes it even more disorienting is that these moments rarely begin with obvious signs. Sometimes it’s just a feeling, a sense of disconnection, something slightly off. You might attribute it to stress, to life changes, to things that can be worked through. You might even take proactive steps, like going back to therapy, trying to strengthen the foundation before anything cracks.

And then, almost quietly, the truth reveals itself. Not in a dramatic confrontation, but in an ordinary moment. A message. A glance. A split second where everything shifts and your body knows before your mind catches up. That familiar drop in your stomach, the one that says, here we are again.

What’s often unexpected is how far the impact reaches. It’s not just trust in your partner that gets shaken. Sometimes it touches something deeper, your sense of fairness, your beliefs, even your relationship with God, if faith is part of your life. There’s a kind of internal questioning that happens: I’ve been doing everything right. I’ve shown up, I’ve given, I’ve tried. So why am I here again?

Those questions don’t come with easy answers. They linger. They stretch into late nights and quiet moments, asking you to sit with uncertainty in a way that feels uncomfortable and unresolved.

And yet, life doesn’t pause while you’re processing it. There are still routines, responsibilities, children who are paying attention more than we realize. Kids don’t need explanations to sense when something has shifted. They see it in your face, in your tone, in the space between you and your partner.

“You guys look really sad.”

It’s a simple observation, but it carries truth. And in that moment, you find yourself doing something incredibly difficult,holding your own pain while trying to protect theirs. Explaining just enough so they feel safe, without burdening them with something they’re too young to understand.

At the same time, you’re navigating your own need for space. Setting boundaries. Creating distance. Sometimes choosing work or movement or distraction, not because it solves anything, but because being still feels too heavy. There’s a quiet discipline in not acting on every impulse, in not giving in to the urge to expose, to retaliate, to make the pain visible in the same way you feel it internally.

Because those urges are real. The desire for justice, for fairness, for some kind of balance. The thought that if others could just see what you’ve experienced, it might somehow even the scales. But more often than not, acting on those impulses only adds another layer to something already complex.

So instead, you sit in it. You move through it. You take it one day at a time.

And maybe the most honest place to land is this: you can be strong and still feel completely unsure. You can love someone and still question whether you should stay. You can believe in forgiveness and still feel exhausted by the idea of extending it again.

All of those things can exist at the same time.

There isn’t a clean ending here, at least not yet. No final decision tied up in a bow. Just a person navigating something deeply painful, trying to do it with intention, with self-awareness, with as much steadiness as they can hold.

And if you find yourself in a similar place, the most important thing to remember is this: your life does not stop here. Whether you choose to stay or to leave, there is still a version of you on the other side of this, one that is whole, resilient, and capable of building something meaningful again.

The path there may not be clear yet. But it exists.



Sherley’s Show is learning and growing every single day. We aim to uplift all marginalized voices both on this podcast and in real life. Please note that we are always striving to change the problematic language that society has internalized in us. Thank you for your patience as we aim to strip certain phrases from our vocabulary.


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This is the third time. Now,  to be clear, uh infidelity involves anything that is lying, hiding. um I’ve had financial infidelity with him, as well as these emotional affairs of infidelity.  The first time I looked at it as, okay, it’s a mistake. We are newly married. We’ve all been tempted. And I think for me, like,

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what I believe too is like, temptation is not the sin part, Temptation is when you start acting out on it. um But I was like, they didn’t sleep together. So  it’s okay, I can forgive this, right? The second time it was like, okay,  we need to figure out what the issue is because there’s obviously a problem  and I don’t know how to help you,  right?

00:57

I’m going to try to work through this with you because we have a child together. I want to keep my family together, right? So  I’m going to stick with you this time, even though I’m furious, but I was also deeply hurt, right? So I wanted to work through it for my own healing. And I wanted to work through it because I really wanted to live out forgiveness. Like that’s really a hundred percent how I wanted to walk that out.  This third time,

01:27

I don’t have an answer for you. I’m still navigating right or left, right? And that may sound really crazy to people to be like, this is the third time you what you mean, you don’t know if you’re gonna stay or go. And there’s a lot of layers to this.  Welcome back to the Sherley Show.  I am your host Sherley.  Our discussions are going to be ranging from personal life experiences,

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infidelity, trust, forgiveness, sex, heartbreak, self-love, and so much more.  Let’s dive in,  pull up a seat,  make sure you’re cozy,  and get ready to be challenged and encouraged while you learn with me, your virtual girlfriend. All right, welcome to another episode of Sherley’s show. And today we’re gonna be talking about a topic that is a bit deeper. Now, normally we always someway, somehow incorporate, I feel, infidelity in our conversations.

02:24

But today  we’re gonna be talking about a harder subject. I shouldn’t say a harder subject. It’s going to be a deeper subject when it comes to infidelity. One of the reasons why I created this podcast was because  of the infidelity in Khalifa and I’s relationship.  And I wanted to be a voice to other women who are going through the same thing so they understand they’re not alone.

02:48

There’s life after infidelity. Your life doesn’t have to stop right there, regardless what you choose to do. If you choose to stay with your partner or leave, the choice is yours. But, Kira, I’m gonna pass you the mic. We’re gonna get started. And I guess first let me ask you, do you want me to ask a question first or do you want to start talking first? I think that if you

03:17

um I guess people that have been following you for a long time, they might remember the first season that we did together. ah I was talking a lot about forgiveness because I was walking through the backside of infidelity at that time.  And I was in a really difficult but positive place about forgiveness. So that’s what we did that whole podcast about. um I think for you, maybe it might be beneficial to just

03:46

I guess communicate how it was for you as a friend hearing when I called you about what recently happened.

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Oh, look who’s trying to catch me off guard. um I mean, that’s  yeah. I mean, you can just be honest. Like. Honest. Yeah, I was a little taken back.  And the reason is. Okay, so  I know exactly what it feels like and what you’re going through,  but  I assume that things were on the mend.

04:22

This was the last thing I assumed that would happen. I didn’t think that you were going to call me and say this. I would have even expected like, you know, Sherley, I’m just not happy in my relationship for whatever God forsaken reason other than what you told me. When you told me that was the reason I was shocked because I really did assume you guys were on the mend. You are, I always like to say you’re my Christian friend.

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You know,  you’re my Christian.  So you and your husband, and I know you  are, and you and your husband are like, you know, the good Christian family. You go to church more than I do. You’re reading the Bible actively more than Kalief and I do. You know, Mr. Sailor Mouth and Mrs. Sailor Mouth, you know. I just feel like I wasn’t expecting when you told me that. And I was very saddened by it for you. I was rooting for you and your husband deep down inside.

05:20

And when you told me that, I felt a sense of like, what the fuck?  Why is my friend going through this? That’s exactly what I felt like. What the fuck? didn’t know what to tell you. didn’t know what to. And at that moment, because I’ve been there, there was nothing I could say. You know, all I could do is be a ear to listen. Right.  And  because it was so fresh in the moment. uh

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I was just in a state of shock myself.

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this is not what I wanted for you. And this is not what I expected to hear.  And  you know,  it changes the trajectory of everything you have planned for your life. You know, the short term  and long term goals usually set for family  and individuals, it changes the trajectory of everything. And then it’s like, now what do I do? How do I handle this? Do I go to therapy?

06:20

Yeah, well, we’re definitely going to talk about it. I think you have some good questions.  guess let me start off by asking you the first question that I have here.  Can you share in your own words what this experience has been like for you since finding out? Okay, so  full transparency. This is the third time. Now,  to be clear,

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uh Infidelity involves anything that is lying, hiding. I’ve had financial infidelity with him, as well as these emotional affairs of infidelity. uh He states and he maintains that he has never had sex with any of these women. However, um their conversations have included sexting and pictures and all of those things.

07:16

So this being the third time,  I feel like I was walking through it at the beginning  with a lot of rage.  Not really sadness, not really disappointment, just like hot  burning anger. For one about towards myself of being like, how could you be so stupid to think that like he would change?

07:45

And then towards him about like, would you waste my time for a year and a half of us going through therapy and intensives to do the work to feel like we were going to be in a better place. So initially, and I can say this is only two months old, the time I’m talking to you right now.  This last discovery is only two months old. um So there’s still like ebbs and flows with my emotions, but  my initial reaction was definitely anger.

08:16

Okay. And you said something that a lot of us go through and think about. I thought about the same thing. How could I be so stupid?  But you also know it’s not you who has the issue. It’s him who has the issue. So what would you have to say about listeners  from two perspectives? Number one, women who are actively going through it and are thinking the same thing. How could I be so stupid?  So I guess the first question is, you know,

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You weren’t stupid.  were your wife  and you were actively fighting for your relationship and truth be told there’s nothing wrong with that.  I think that’s just a natural human emotion to  question your own discernment, which is really probably a better way to say what I was doing. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.

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but I think you have to kind of unpack it a little bit to understand like, okay, Kira, this actually really has nothing to do with you.  You’re on the receiving end of it, but it actually is not a Kira issue, it’s an Adrian issue.  And  that’s a deep seated issue within him of why he needs to seek affirmation  so much.  And…

09:40

You know, that he has an issue with lust so much in that way. You know, I, it’s hard for someone like me to understand that because that is not my personality. The other part of that is like,  I am a believer, so I believe who God says I am. I don’t need that affirmation from people. I’m comfortable with who I am and I have community to like affirm me. I think when you are a person,

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like him at this time or was that when you don’t have a lot of friends and you don’t have a lot of like godly community or even just people who can pour into you, you’re missing that piece of affirmation that people get from friends and family. So you seek it in the easiest way you know how, right? So I had to learn,  you know, and I’d been in therapy, I had already.

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been through therapy with this.  So I kind of had the tools in my back pocket, like, Kara, this is not a you issue. So I had to, you know, remind myself of that. But I think that’s natural.  for the negative people out there, for the second part of the question, who’s like, why would you allow this? You’re the reason why this is happening a third time. Why didn’t you walk away the first time or even the second time? Oh, this is a really good question.  So the first time

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I looked at it as, okay, it’s a mistake. We are  newly married  and  it’s a mistake, right?  We’ve all been tempted. And I think for me, like what I believe too is like temptation is not the sin part, right? Temptation is when you start acting out on it. um But I was like, they didn’t sleep together.  So.

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It’s okay, I can forgive this, right? The second time, it was like, okay,  we need to figure out what the issue is because there’s obviously a problem  and I don’t know how to help you, right? I’m going to try to work through this with you because we have a child together. I want to keep my family together, right? So I’m going to stick with you this time even though I’m furious.

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but I was also deeply hurt, right? So I wanted to work through it for my own healing. And I wanted to work through it because I really wanted to live out forgiveness. Like that’s really a hundred percent how I wanted to walk that out.  This third time, I don’t have an answer for you. I’m still navigating right or left, right? And that may sound really crazy to people.

12:31

to be like, is the third time, what you mean, you don’t know if you’re gonna stay or go.  And there’s a lot of layers to this, so. I agree, 100 % agree for someone who’s walked your shoes and for someone who’s walked your shoes, who’s had a child out of the infidelity for us. So  my situation goes a little deeper. And because this is so  fairly new, and as Kira said two months in, since we’re doing this recording,

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and this recording’s not gonna go out to about roughly six or seven months from now. So by the time people are listening to this, it’s going to be eight months in approaching  roughly about one year.  So it’s going to be drastically different. um But thank you for answering that truthfully. So now let’s see the next one I have for you.  When did you first sense?

13:28

that something might not be right in your relationship this third time. What made you start doing some investigation work?  So this third time,  I felt like we were feeling a little disconnected, which,  you know, can happen in relationships. But I felt like, OK, we have the tools. We know what we’re supposed to do. So I sought out a marriage therapist.  And the other layer to this is that we were preparing

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for his parents to come live with us. So  I said, I think we should go see the marriage therapist. I’m feeling a little disconnected. I want us to have a good foundation  before your parents come in because that’s gonna be another layer of stress. And I don’t want us to be on kind of a rocky ground. He was like, yeah, I totally agree. Let’s go therapy. We started going into therapy. um I wanna say  we’re in October right now. So I wanna say we started going to therapy around April, May.

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And um things were starting to come up in therapy that I thought  we both had worked through. um For me,  I could not have fathomed that I would be back in this place.  I was struggling with the fact that  I didn’t feel like he was pursuing therapists or psychiatrists and mental health support for his PTSD.

14:56

I felt like that was the cause of why we were feeling disconnected because he wasn’t sleeping well.  Uh, he was having nightmares, all the things. And I’m like, you need to get help and support. I don’t know how to help you through that. Right. That was where my mindset was in therapy. was never even considering that it would be  like infidelity again, like a hundred percent. wasn’t because we had did the work surely. Like I, we had did.

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spent thousands of dollars on doing the work. So I never even considered that. um So that’s initially why I felt something was off. We had a therapy session and I remember leaving the session and being like, God, like, I don’t know what’s going on, but I just pray that you would just reveal it to me. Like, just let me see what is going on so we can help him.

15:55

That was where my heart was, right?  So we had a uh Zoom meeting with someone to talk about life insurance and additional policy. um And we were on his laptop. So, you know, on the MacBooks, have your text messages are also on the screen.  I’m an Android user, Kira. Okay. So on MacBooks,  let me catch you up to 2025.

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Listen, we got that capability now. We can sync our tablets and our phone. Congratulations.  You have a chat box on the screen that has all of your text messages. That  is exactly mirrored from your phone. Okay. I was actually getting ready to go out with my girlfriends um to celebrate a belated birthday for me. So was doing my makeup. I’m like in a good mood.

16:51

And then I just felt something and I was like,  I haven’t gone through his phone in probably like over a year. Now part of our um healing and recovery was like full transparency. Like we have all the passwords. have all the passwords. Same as him. So I was just scrolling through his computer and I was like, oh, nothing’s here. Pretty good. I’m so happy. And then I see something and I’m like, and my heart dropped, right? That feeling of like, oh my God.

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And the thing I think that made me so mad was like, it was so careless. It was in his regular personal phone, like right in the text. And you know, we’re going to be on your computer. So it’s kind of like, he didn’t even try to hide it. Right. I also think he didn’t think I was going to go through it because I haven’t. I haven’t because I really was trusting him in the work that we did. So  that was when I found out. So that’s probably two parts.

17:52

Interesting. That’s okay. That’s okay. Do you understand? Do you, what do you think came over you that day? A year had went by and you had, and the reason I asked that is because when Khalif and I went through it, to give you an example, our phone plans used to be together. But during the beginning of the situation, I told him,

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we have to separate phone plans because  I have to create a boundary for myself. So I don’t have access to see who you’re talking to and what’s happening because I know it’s going to upset me. So I just set that boundary and we separated our phone plans until it says separated and it’s a boundary for me. Most people are like, no,  I would still need access and I would still need to see, I don’t need to see anything, but this is for me.

18:50

Because  what benefit is it going to be for me for me to check his phone logs to see who he’s talking to?  And I guess it’s no different from text messaging. So what possessed you that day to do it? Honestly, I don’t know. Now,  you have to remember that  I had prayed a prayer asking God to reveal what happened. This was  literally probably four days later. Okay.

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Now, I’m not saying God answers prayers this quick all the time. I know that for me, when I’m very specific with God and I am seeking Him out and trying to understand, He gives me an answer or He gives me direction. I have no reason for why I did that besides opportunity and

19:49

Yeah, because I hadn’t done it. You know what I’m saying? So it’s like, I did pray a very specific prayer and then  I had this opportunity. Not saying I didn’t have opportunities before, but not really like that. Adrian always has his phones attached to him everywhere. um So,  yeah. Women’s intuition, something was itching you. Yeah. I mean, you could see it as God answered the prayer, which I believe that as well.

20:15

You know, he does show us things in all different ways, shapes, forms, and sizes, but  there was something scratching you that day because  he sent you over to the laptop, right? ah Well, no, he left me with the laptop. He left you with the laptop. it’s like you said,  nothing was hidden because he left you with the laptop knowing you’re home. So it’s not like he was trying to cover up anything because he knew his laptop was home.

20:43

And you also said I have all his passwords. either he seriously dropped the ball and forgot.  That’s the only thing I can think of. But okay. Yeah. And I think he just didn’t think I was going to do it because I hadn’t, right? I hadn’t gone through anything. So I think there was also that thought from, and this is just me  assuming, like making an assumption that he was like, oh, she’s not gonna go through anything.

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You know? Interesting. Sloppiness. But that’s how cheating is. It starts to become sloppy.  All right.  Let’s see. What emotions have been the hardest to navigate since all this happened? Now this is new. So obviously the emotion you’re going through right now, do you still feel as though is anger still the big emotion that you’re struggling with?

21:41

I would say yes, but not as bad. I would say what I’m struggling the most with, and this might sound weird, is discouragement. When you have all of these emotions, right? Like now, again, I have been in therapy since 2018, 2019. I graduated from therapy, so I was off for like…

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a good year than this last situation happened. And I’ve been back in therapy since April. They always give this image of the iceberg. Have you heard this illustration? No. when you look at an iceberg, you see a small portion of it on the top, right? This might be where you’ll have to like, this is what she’s talking about. Underneath the water, underneath the surface is this massive, massive structure.

22:37

Right? So you can only see this tiny portion of the iceberg on the top,  but underneath you see this huge, huge, huge, huge, huge like iceberg. It’s like  incredibly massive. The anger is like what you can see easily. What’s able to be identified. That’s what you see on the top. Right? But under the anger, you see the disappointment, the fear,  the discouragement, the hurt,  the frustration.

23:06

Right. So there’s all of these things that are under it. Anger, think, is the easiest thing for  people to see or identify. But I think what I’m struggling the most with  is discouragement, feeling like I don’t have the courage  to hope. I don’t have the courage to want to continue. um And I feel like…

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It’s just a difficult space  where I’m trying to be  Christ-like,  but I’m also human. And I think that  there people have to understand too that when you have betrayal after betrayal after betrayal,  and this doesn’t matter what it is, this is just a betrayal. If there is a boundary set and the person betrays that boundary, that’s betrayal, right?  All of these repeated things cause so much trauma.

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Right? So that’s where I feel like  I  am  also dealing with the trauma part of it. How has this experience affected your sense of trust, not just in your partner, but in people in general?  Oh, this is a really good question.

24:26

How has it affected my sense of trust with him and other people? I would say…  Um… It’s… Obviously it’s definitely affected my sense of trust with him.

24:39

But honestly, Sherley,  as far as like other people,  I wouldn’t say it has. You know,  I love people and I don’t like people at the same time, right? Like, I think I really have a heart for people.  I am very chatty. Like, I love to meet people, hear about their lives, like all the things. ah I think more than anything, it’s affected my trust with God. The part  of…

25:07

Like, God, I’ve been doing all the things, right? I go to church, I read my word, I pray, I give of my time, I volunteer with victims, I give my money, I sponsor a child, I help people, I will give  money to anyone who needs it if I have it, right?  I try to  walk in a way that is Christ-like, that is honorable.  I…

25:35

try not to curse, I don’t dress with all my body hanging out. And this is no judgment, these are my personal convictions, right? These are all the things I’m doing to try to like, you know, be more like Christ, right? And it’s like, I’m doing all these things and then like, this is what you give me? This is the marriage that you give me? This is the husband that you give me that just keeps hurting me, hurting me, hurting me? Like, how do I trust you  in this? I don’t understand it. And I think it was like,

26:05

yeah, my trust is definitely broken with him, but it also like kind of made me question God. Now I’m not in that space today, I can tell you that, but that was definitely  something that I kind of had to navigate through a lot of prayer and fasting and reading my word because I’m just like, what’s up? Like I felt like I could have more fun in the world doing things the way the world does it. And I

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probably wouldn’t have all this pain. I could get him back. I could get him back way worse, right? um It was like this trust of like, when am I going to get my justice, right? You know,  everyone knows  in the Bible it says you reap what you sow, right? I’m reaping ah something that I had not sown, right? And not to get too preachy just because of what my belief system is.

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so you can get a kind of picture of my thought process. Like, I had to understand that like the suffering and all of the things that I’m experiencing now are not because I did anything wrong, right? It’s just because there’s sin. That’s it. There’s nothing that I did that I  am on the receiving end of this. That took a while to understand. The second part of that was like, well, when is he gonna get a…

27:32

His reaping for what he keeps sowing, right? When is he gonna get all the things, all the bad stuff that he keeps giving me? Like, when is it gonna happen to him? That was what I was struggling with. That was where like the anger and the resentment was also coming from. Cause it was like, God, you said I’m gonna get justice. Where’s my justice? Where’s my revenge? And it’s like, no, it’s mine, Kira, like chill out. You’re not gonna,  it’s not gonna be the way you wanna see it, right? um

28:02

That is the part where my trust was kind of shaky with the Lord, but not necessarily with other people. And obviously with Adrian, because I don’t trust him, right? So there’s that. You said something interesting. You said, God, why did you bless me with this marriage? I didn’t say the same exact words, but why as human beings do we always assume that

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our relationships with our partners are always going to be perfect. Why do you think human beings think like that?  When we are imperfect human beings, we are not built perfect. A lot of times I like to say we’re raging animals trying to be civilized the best way we know how to be. But why do we walk into a relationship assuming that

28:58

we’re not going to have any problems and let’s put infidelity or  slash cheating aside, whatever term you want to use.  Um, and you mentioned  in the beginning financial, um so there’s so many different aspects of how someone can hurt you verbally, physically, um,  financially, financially, spiritually. So all those, those are the,

29:27

big categories and then there’s subcategories underneath them. But why do we walk into relationships thinking about that? And this is  literally  not a question literally to answer because I don’t think anybody has an answer for it. But a lot of times we think that way. I did.  I’ll be the first victim to say, I just thought I was walking into a perfect relationship and why would this person hurt me? Because he loves me, he cares about me. So he would never do anything to hurt me.

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Yeah. Why do we set ourselves up? I think there’s like, obviously, this is kind of a rhetorical question because everyone’s answer is going to be different, right? Yes. If I’m answering from my perspective and my state as a believer, right? As a Christ follower, I had this notion. I don’t know why that once I get married, you know, yes, everyone says there’s going to be ups and downs.

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I’m thinking,  oh yeah, the ups and downs are gonna be sickness. I already did that, right? I had the cancer, my child had epilepsy, I did that. Oh, boom, ups and downs, okay. Moving right along, right? Or financial, Adrian had lost his job, right? That  was very difficult. And that was when I was on maternity leave, right? So I wasn’t even getting income. Okay, boom, we moved through that. These are the ups and downs I’m thinking, right? I’m not thinking it’s going to be

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Like deep, deep, deep seated work with someone who I had done premarital counseling with, right? With someone who has a lot of just personal struggles. If I had dealt with them,  I think earlier, I may not have been in this position today. And that’s not taking the blame off of him, right? But that’s just also saying that I knew that there were things that stirred in me and I ignored them. Right? So.

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There’s a part of believing the best about people and wanting to hope for the best. So your mindset is like, I’m going in with that,  with I’m gonna give my best, right? So your assumption is that the other person is gonna do the same thing. I think that’s natural, right?  Just the assumption that people are gonna treat us the way we would treat them, but that’s not realistic.  And even though they may want to do things, they don’t have the capacity to do them.

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And I also think as  believers, we have this idea that we’re not supposed to suffer. I think so too. And  that’s a good response.  I appreciate that. know, everyone’s response is going to be different, you  know,  I believe 100 % is people feel like they should not suffer. But what exactly quote unquote suffering means to some. uh

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Interesting. mean, it’s going to be interesting to hear what people have to say when they listen to this episode because, you know, we all think different responses.  You know, we’re going to get the positives and the negatives, you know, both of these girls stupid because I would have walked away real quick.  I saw something about this not too long ago.  Yes. um

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When is the fight over that ran through my head? And this is not a question I want you to answer now. This is just something I was thinking about. But when does the fight end and you stop fighting for your partner? But that’s just something to think about. Next question. Trust me, I don’t know the answer to that. I don’t have the answer to that. I don’t have it. Because I am not in a space where I need to be slashing judgment at anyone. Because like I said, I’ve been the victim and the perpetrator myself.

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We have a whole human being that was created. So I cannot be throwing stones at anybody. You have to do what works for you at the end of the day.  Next.  I’m gonna save this one for last.

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What have you learned about yourself in the last two months? And you have months to go. And I know these are early two months, but how have you given yourself grace?

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Hmm.  I’m still working through that. I think what I have learned about myself  is that I am emotionally intelligent. I can identify  what I’m feeling, why  I’m feeling it, attempt to use tools to navigate the emotions. I think that I’ve learned

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that I was not having true dependence on God through these other processes. Now, again,  I have to keep saying that I am speaking from the place of being a believer, right? And I understand that everyone has different faiths, and this is not judgment. This is me speaking from just how I move through the world, how I look at life.

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I’m going, know, and Christianity is not based on works, right? I just want to put that out there too. There are other religions that are based on works  and that’s how you get into heaven. Christianity is not based on that. It’s about your relationship with Jesus.  I said earlier, remember, like, God, I’m doing all the things. doing all the things, right?  My prayer life was good. It wasn’t great. I wasn’t praying very specifically or strategically, right?

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ah When things are going well, it’s like, thank you, Lord. Like, I remember your faithfulness. Like, I remember all the things that you’ve brought me through. But I realized in the last two months that I wasn’t really  dependent on the Lord. And I think that that is what he’s trying to show me through this situation. Now, this doesn’t mean that we’re going to stay together.  This doesn’t mean that I’m 100 % ready to leave either. It just means that

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my thought process and the way that I move through the situation is different than the last two times because I’m really, really, really seeking God differently and just feeling like, dang, like I wasn’t really doing that. And that’s kind of difficult to also admit when I feel like I was doing all the things that God called me to do, but I was missing kind of the mark on the relationship. Does that make sense? That makes sense.

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The benefit of our job in this situation is you can physically remove yourself. Have you  been jumping into that a little more because we are able to physically remove ourselves from our residence based on the type of work that we do? Yes.  Now,  excuse me, I also have to be clear too.  And the goal of this conversation

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to have all of this full transparency from my end and to be vulnerable is because I want people to see  how it looks when you’re walking through it and not just like a crash out, right? I think a lot of times like on TikTok right now, there’s a very sad story where a woman, I can’t think of her name. There’s all these videos of her in her wedding dress and she’s on a cruise with her husband.

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And she’s like, I knew in this moment, like it was done and they had only been married for six months. And I think he was cheating on her with her best friend. She is  heartbroken. She is crashing out on TikTok. She’s posting video after video after video.  And I’m like, I get all of this, right? The thing is there are parts where maybe the world needs to see that. Maybe men need to see that to see how you cause so much damage and trauma to a person who trusts you. My goal in this.

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To be fully transparent  is so people can understand that you can go through it a different way. And because I’m doing it with God, it’s not making it, I would say, easier,  but it’s giving me accountability. I had to set a boundary with Adrian. He has not been in our bedroom since I found out about this. uh I asked him to leave the house, so he stayed in a hotel.

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I think for a night and asked if he could come back the next night.  Um, I had family coming to visit Sherley that my,  my cousin and her two daughters were coming to stay with us. And I was like,  I don’t know where you’re going to go, but you can’t stay here. Uh, cause my cousin needs to guest room and her daughters are sleep. We’re going to sleep upstairs in the playroom.  So  where does that leave you to sleep?  So he went.

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to Jamaica. And the space during that time, also the distraction of my family during that time was really helpful because I had accountability, right? I couldn’t crash out. I couldn’t be crazy. I didn’t even tell my cousin at the time what was happening. There is also, I think what people don’t talk about is the shame that you carry as the betrayed person, especially someone like me where this is the third time.

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Like, I don’t want to keep crying to my friends about the same situation, right? I had to set a boundary and ask him to leave the room, move his stuff to the guest room. My cousins and cousins came to visit and when he came back, you have to stay in the guest room. He is still in the guest room today. I have worked more than I normally would. Yes. Because I physically

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find it difficult to be around him.  The difficulty  is I can see the shame that he’s carrying and I can see that he feels very dejected and he’s sorry and he’s apologetic. But for me, it’s like, saw that before though. I thought it was real that time. So how do I know that this is real now? I don’t. And so every time I look at you, I just get angry.  So it’s probably better for right now.

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that we sleep separately and that I’m gonna go to work.  Going to work is also a distraction.  My travel agent stuff was actually like increasing. I was getting a lot of clients at this time, which was crazy, but I feel like it was all layers to kind of keep me sane. Because what happens  is like, I wasn’t trusting my own judgment.

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Because I thought that when I did this process with you for a year and a half that you were being genuine and authentic. And I believed that, right? I even went into therapy with the thought of like, this is about PTSD. This is not about like, I had healed from all of the prior stuff, right? I was walking in forgiveness. Like I wasn’t holding any of that against him.

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But then to have it happen again, it’s like, I can’t even look at you. Get out of my face.  While also knowing that my seven year old is watching  every single thing that we do. We have never argued in front of Zaire until the last two months. Zaire is seven, I have never argued in front of that child. The last two months we’ve had two very explosive arguments in front of him, which I really deeply regret.

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Um,  but that’s when I’m saying like the anger is what you see first, right? The anger is what’s coming out first.  And that’s the part where I have to be like, okay.  Um,  I need to be away from the household. Thankfully, thankfully, thank you, Jesus, that I have a job where I can do that. Right.

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Yeah. I was real deep for you. Especially um when you mentioned you’re good. You haven’t argued. He’s seven years old and you guys haven’t had an argument in front of him. I can’t think back to see when our kids first saw our first argument. I’m not sure when that took place, but there’s some realness to that as well. mean, I know you regret it, but it’s also important. I feel for

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kids to see all these emotions. I agree. In a healthy way. There’s of course an unhealthy way, but it is important for kids to realistically see, okay, mommy is upset with daddy right now or mommy is sad or vice versa. And  these emotions are okay to be shown as long as we do them in a healthy way.  100%. And we had to be accountable for that and be like, we need to talk to them.

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He knows this child that I have is not a stupid kid, right? Kids are not stupid. His parents are sleeping in separate rooms. Like, come on. Like, he knows something is off. We’re not being our normal selves, our happy selves. And you know what? I remember I, he was having really rough days at school that week. Yeah. It was showing in the school. I had to tell his teacher, like, listen, me and his dad are really struggling right now.

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And without giving, you know, a lot, I don’t need to give her a whole synopsis, but it’s just like, think Zaire is feeling the impact of that. And I’m going to be more intentional about how we manage with Zaire. On the way home from school that day, I said, Zaire. I said, have you noticed something different with mommy and daddy in the house? And he was like, yeah. I’m like, where do you see? And he was like, you guys are frowning a lot.

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And you guys look really sad. He said, daddy looks really sad. I was like, yeah, we are. And I said, I’m going to tell you  something so you can understand because I know you, I know you feel it, but daddy did something that hurt mommy’s feelings. Right. And so mommy and daddy are trying to work through that. And just because we’re upset with each other, doesn’t mean we’re upset with you. Doesn’t mean we love you any less, but sometimes grownups argue.

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Sometimes they don’t agree, but we’re not hurting each other, right? And I don’t want you to feel like anything’s wrong with you.  And we may not have been paying as much attention to you and I’m sorry. You know, I have to have this conversation with him driving home from school. And then I get in a house and I have to tell Adrian, like, hey, we need to talk to him because this is what happened XYZ. And we sit with Zaire.

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just  reiterate the same thing. But Zaire has always been an empath, just child feels very deeply, right? I have always described him as like his emotions are intense. So when Zaire is happy, he is  joyful, like to the moon. You’ve never seen a kid more happy than Zaire, but when he’s sad, he is deeply sad.

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And when he is angry, he is like a Tasmanian devil. Everything’s coming off the walls. He’s throwing stuff. He’s flipping tables, like, okay.  So I know my kid was feeling something and I think he was feeling confusion  and anxiety and not knowing like when he comes home, are they going to be arguing again? Or is it going to be okay? You know, it’s just like, he’s seven. And I think that made me mad. It’s like, not mad again, because all your decisions don’t just affect you.

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They affect everyone around you.  They affect the whole entire family. And you don’t think about it for that, ma’am. You don’t think about it in that moment. And it’s interesting that we bring up the kids because as a mother, totally, although we may believe that our children are not paying attention, but our children are very much aware of what’s going on. And at seven years old, um they don’t understand. Very aware. They don’t understand what cheating,

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means. So it  makes total sense that you can’t go too much in description  as to what happened because at seven year old, they’re not going to be able to comprehend what is that? You know, you just have to basically… hurt feelings.  Exactly. Mommy and daddy are not happy right now. And why? Because they’re paying attention to body language and how we’re treating each other.  So those are the things as parents we do need to be mindful of when you’re  navigating a sensitive

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a sensitive situation like this to be mindful of the kids. Likewise, we had conversations with our children. I remember when I had to mention to them that they were going to have a little sister. How did they take that? They were very, my daughter, they were happy. My daughter was a lot happier than my son because it’s a little girl. She was going to be a sister.

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But then we had to tell them it was not by mommy. It was by somebody else. You should see the look on their face at that time. Like what? I can’t even imagine Sherley.  I can’t even imagine. look on their face was like…  And you could see their little minds wrapping around. The wheels turning. The wheels turning. You ever seen that description of a little mind? Everything in their mind was moving. how can see it. It’s like the eyes like  what? Everything is turning. And they didn’t say much after that.

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Okay, and then we continued on.  They did start having slight issues at school. think  it was my daughter more than my son. It was a soft little issue, not anything big.  And we had to also bring it to the teacher’s attention. So that’s why I understand how kids are extremely affected by the situation. To make it even more comical and to pay attention to their innocence and to see how  their minds were just working.

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My son, two situations happen. My son, about a few months later, he said, so is there going to be more babies by this person? Girl, at that moment, you know, to make this a little… I’m not understand what’s going on. But this is what I mean, like their minds is working. They’re going, they’re going, they’re going. They’re trying to understand what…

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At that moment I was driving and my son was the one that would ask a lot of questions when he was little. Zaire asked a lot of questions, yes. Kira, said to him, I said, baby, there should not be anymore. And he just said, okay, that’s it. was the only thing. Do you remember how old were your kids? I forget. They were younger. were like, Zaire’s age, right? I think they were six, okay, 2014. So all this happened, 2014.

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Yeah, because when I met you, I feel like I had just had Zaire. It was 2014 we met. Or 15. It was 2015. 15? No. 16? 15 or 16. When were we supposed to do that Haiti trip? Probably 2016, 2017. then we must have met either 15 or 16 when we worked that first trip together. Had to be 15 or 16.

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everything was still fresh and new because we’re in, what are we in now, 20? So I hadn’t had Zaire yet, because Zaire was born in 2018. This was 12 years ago. I know, it’s like, I remember that when you and I were talking, I feel like you might be right, because I feel like I was recently married. What year was Zaire born? 2018. Did you know about Zaire when we? Yes. So, okay, so we must have worked 2017, because Zaire.

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Zaire was already born. He was like little. Yeah, he was a baby when I had flew with you because I remember I had just like come back to work. So it was he was born in 2018, March of 2018. Yeah. So then 2018 must have been our first trip. But why does it feel like it was earlier than that? I feel like it was earlier too, but it might just feel like it was earlier. And we just stay connected. That’s the only thing I can think of. Because then that means the trip to Haiti must have been super.

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to be 18 or 19. Yes, and they did do a trip in 18. We didn’t go though. did. Because remember you canceled it. No, no, no. I canceled the one for 2019. that’s what you’re thinking about. Yeah. So they did go in 2018. But you And then I canceled the one. No, because I was pregnant. In 2018? I was pregnant, yeah. He was in 20… March. He was born in March 2018. We led the mission trip March 2018. literally a week before my due date.

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So then that’s when we worked. Okay. So we worked together, yeah. It was 2018, we worked together. And this, all this situation happened 12 years ago. 17 and 18, 10, It’s just so crazy. So I think they were six, five, five and six at the time. So it was very similar to the age that year is now. my God, it’s crazy to think 12 years ago. And it’s also just crazy to think about how children think and take that all in.

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It’s a lot. It’s a lot. In the other situation, a few years back, my daughter had to be 14. No, she had to be 14 or 13. She was sitting at the dining room table. She randomly said, so daddy cheated on you. That’s how I got my sister. You’re like, how long you been saying on that? Long time. You know, their little brain has been like.

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trying to wrap it around what is going on. How do we have a sister by somebody else? What is happening here?  But she also like speaks to that you’re such a safe space for her to say that too. You know, like they both think I’m super safe and they just realize,  ah, my mom can handle anything. I’m just going to say anything.  And I have to, I have to be understanding. They’re little people. What am I supposed to say?

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But I’m in such a good place right now, I can talk about this. And I know people are like, oh my God, Sherley makes such light of the situation. Y’all don’t realize this was years ago and I’m in a healthy place and this is why I can talk about this.  I was ready to kill anybody. Don’t ask me shit, don’t say shit to me. I wanted you to die, I wanted her to die. I didn’t want him to die, but I wanted him to suffer deeply. Hey, remember I talked about that earlier, right? Like, where’s my justice? Where’s my revenge?  That’s what I want.

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I want the pain. Let’s get this. You know, I thought about something when you were talking and I remember very, very vividly. I don’t remember where we were, but do remember when we were in the middle of this trip? I think we might’ve been in Chicago airport. Oh, you’re we were going to get bagels and we were just kind of talking and you were sharing with me. Do you remember this? And we’re just having like, I have a very like vivid picture memory. do. Like, and this, but also,

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I’ll just segue. I also have ADHD, but because I have such vivid picture memories, that makes it very difficult to get over stuff. uh Okay. But I remember this moment with you where we’re in the airport and we’re talking and we’re having this like very deep conversation with all these people around us. Like if there were ear hustling, they could have probably heard us. But I remember thinking like, dang, Sherley is so strong. Like, I don’t know if I would have the capacity to do that.

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Now here I am on a flip side, right? Not the same situation, very different situations, but this thing of betrayal is still there, right? And so if you would have told me before I got married that I would have had to have dealt with three different instances of infidelity with my husband and that I had stayed, I would have been like, girl, please, right?

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I can tell you a hundred percent today, I don’t know what I’m going to do, right? I don’t know which path I’m going to take. And that’s why I really wanted to share this. So I can look back at this and be like, okay, I was moving how I was supposed to move through this journey,  being in therapy, being in my word, being in community. But when you were sharing all of that with me, I just remember being like, dang, she’s so strong.

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And sometimes I’m like, I don’t feel strong right now,  but I know that I’m dealing with it like the best  way  I can without the anger and the stuff that I want to do, right? I fantasize about selling all of these  sneakers on marketplace for like $2.

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all of these Travis Scott’s, all of these Jordans, all of these things, right? Oh, when he was gone, Sherley, I had to call my mom like,  okay, the sneakers are gonna be gone. He’s gonna come home and all of the shoes are gonna be gone. And mom’s like, chill out, chill out, chill out. But you know, it’s like,  I’m being crazy, right? But it was like, God also put all of these things in place for me to have accountability. Because my cousins were here.

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She has children, right? How would that look? I’m like, okay guys, hey, let’s bring all the sneakers outside downstairs. We’re gonna sit them outside on the curb and hey, everyone come get your free Jordans. Come get your Travis Scott’s. Come get whatever you want, right? And then I would say, I was was like fantasizing about it, Sherley. Like he would come home and go into the office to put his shoes back and there would be no shoes. And then he would be like,  Kira, what happened to my shoes?

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And I would be like, what shoes? What do you mean? What  shoes? And he would be like, did you do something to my shoes? And I would be like,  what? I don’t know what you’re talking about because that gaslighting is what I experienced every single time. So it’s like, I want to do that back to you.  And I want to hurt you very deeply where it’s all about these freaking sneakers and crap and all this crap. It was like,

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I fantasized about that, Sherley. I had to literally put my phone on the other side of the room because I just was like, I’m gonna go take pictures and I’m gonna post all these shoes and he’s gonna come home and there’s gonna be nothing here. And then I struggled with having all of this stuff from the last infidelity on my phone.  I have it in a secret folder. Do you still have it to this day? I have it to this day and…

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You’re good. I deleted all mine, Kira. Oh, no. I kept it. Now, here’s initially why I kept it, right? I kept it because I had done deep work in therapy.  I had, and honestly, I had did this therapy that I can’t remember what it’s called, and it’s going to sound crazy. It was,  here’s a good,  it was like the lady was holding all these wooden sticks.

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The pretend this is a long wooden stick and each stick had a different color on the bottom. uh And she would tell me to think about something that… em

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was bought, like I was really struggling with in relation to this loss and fidelity. And I said, I can’t get the images out of my head. There are pictures and videos of women doing things that I can’t get out of my head. I’m very visual, Sherley. So I do this therapy with these colors and these sticks. And it was almost like some kind of hypnosis where whenever I thought about it, I have no reaction to this day whenever I think about it. I’m like, ah.

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I kept it because I wanted to test it. Can I look at this and not have a reaction? Yes. Now, did I do that? I probably did that once after that, right? Never did it again, but kept everything for my mindset of like,  look at how God brought you through this. Look at how far you’ve come.

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Third time, remember, hot rage, hot rage, hot rage, hot rage.  Oh, I’m gonna send everybody all of these videos and pictures, all of these text messages.  I’m gonna send it to your family, your friends. I’m gonna post it on Facebook so all of your work friends can see it. So everyone can see who the real Adrian is. Everyone can see what I have to deal with because  I want people to feel sorry for me and I wanna expose him, right?

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And that was not the right way to do that. I did not do that. I think you and I talked about this and you’re like, Kira, it’s going to give you like a moment of gratification. But when you are burning with anger and rage, it’s like, then I had to read  all verses about anger  so I could settle that down. I had what I think is righteous anger. It was very valid  and it was  100 % acceptable.

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for me to be angry, but  I could not act out on that anger. And that was what I was struggling with. But God knew I was struggling with it. So he gave me accountability. So I didn’t have opportunities to do the things that I wanted to do. Or I would sleep with my phone in the other room. So I wouldn’t get tempted at 2 a.m. to be like, I can’t believe he did this again and just like blast it out. Right? I’m also trying to grow my business. How does that look for me to do something like that? And it’s also like just not my style. um

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but yeah, I don’t know where I was going with that, No, it’s okay. I get the point you were trying to say, but we are very emotionally regulated women. And I think we have uh boundaries that we set and we play these things in our mind, but we actually don’t act out on them. When you made the comment about the young lady that is basically crashing out on TikTok, I have not heard about it, but I’m not on TikTok all the time.

01:00:09

This is what happens to a lot of people.  crash out and the one place now in this day that they, social media, they crash out on. But we are very emotionally regulated people. So I understand the place that you’re at and it’s all part of the emotions that we go through. What is it? Anger, sadness, happiness, denial. It’s like, we’re grieving.  You’re grieving. So these emotions  are factual.

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and they need to happen, you need to go through them and they’re okay as long as you don’t act out on them. Because, know, just don’t act out on them because some of my thinking definitely went left. But I do have to ask you, I had a lot of documentation, screenshots, text messages, I mean, for days.

01:01:00

I could sit almost for about 30 minutes just looking at all the pictures and the text messages because  that’s what I had to do at that moment in time. It was comforting,  but it’s interesting to say you still have them. Do you have plans on deleting them? No. Interesting.  No. Now here’s the thing, right? This is a part where I probably need to still work through this in therapy because… Okay.

01:01:28

I feel like  my thought process now  is  I have to think about myself.

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If I get divorced, I have evidence  of repeated infidelity. um I am married, right?  This is different.  Nothing is saying that yours is less. I’m saying that it’s different because the process is different. Right? Yes. But the initial reason why I kept it was not because of that.

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It was because I felt like it was a good reminder of where God brought me from and his faithfulness and how I was able to forgive and the healing that I did. So it’s a reminder that, Kira, you are strong. You can get through this one. But now it’s like, I don’t know if it’s  good that I’m keeping it with the thought process of like, I might have to use it, which is like kind of sad to think about. um Or it’s going to be the same thing where like,

01:02:40

Okay, look, God brought you through that and he brought you through this next one.  And look, now either way, whichever path I decide to take, God is going to bring me through it, right? I’m trusting that God is going to bring me through it. The thing  is, I guess it’s like,  I made a decision too, that I love God more than I love Kira, right?  So  what I want to do right now,

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is leave. If you’re asking me like, what do you want to do? And then there’s a part of me that also wants to try. And it’s a very difficult space to navigate because I don’t really feel like trying. So I keep that to show like, I might need it. And I keep it because it shows me like how God brought me through that situation.

01:03:38

It’s a question you can’t answer right now, but I’m very appreciative that you’re transparent about it with the listeners because you,  there’s no answer right now at this moment.  And I know for  the people who  cannot really truly understand what we have been through, will quickly be like, these girls have lost their noggin. The fact that they’re even considering staying in this relationship. Now for me,

01:04:09

I can’t answer for Kira, but for me, the reason why I’m still here, it’s deeper than love because a relationship takes more than just love. It’s beyond love. Love is important, but that was the person I wanted to fight for. That was my person. I wanted to move forward in life with this individual. And I also had to…

01:04:38

Realize from our therapy lesson that he’s not the only one at fault. I have demons that I need to work in because one thing our therapist had told us, all three of you play a huge role in this infidelity because I was in the mindset. I was perfect. I did nothing wrong.  And I don’t know why I’m going through this, but also I ended up being a cheater as well. So now I need to rethink all my thinking because

01:05:08

Now I’m in the same situation that he put me in, but two wrongs don’t make a right. So I can’t be throwing stones at somebody when I have demons in my own closet, I have to deal with. So we both were willing to put in the work and that’s, that’s important as well. But also what, what’s interesting for your case is you both were putting in the work and you were deceived. Well down. That’s not correct. Okay. Say  I was, I was putting, I was putting in the work.  You assume the work was being put in and he deceived you.

01:05:38

Yes. And that’s accurate. That’s fact. And that’s the hurtful part. Yeah. He even said like, he literally said to me that I wasn’t, I wasn’t really sorry. You know, I just did that because I wanted us to stay together and I wanted to do what you required of me. This time,  the process is very different, right? Mm-hmm. 100 % different, Sherley.

01:06:04

All right, I’m going to ask you two final questions to wrap up because we are already an hour and 10 minutes in. But it’s probably… have to be a two… This might have to be a two-parter. A two-parter. Maybe we could do a Yeah, you’ll have to be like… Third infidelity, my friend finds, you know, like some crazy headlines so that they’ll watch both of them because it’s not easy to do this all in one hour. I mean, it’s so much. It’s so much. It is a lot. Okay, so we may have to…

01:06:33

continue where we left off then because I still have more questions I wanted to ask you. There were two other questions I really wanted to talk to you about and I wanted to like go deeper to share like  my situation so they understand like, look, I get like these two women have been in almost identical situations and look, look how they’re like going through life. What the fuck is their magic? The magic that they’re going through. me.

01:07:03

Mine is the Holy Spirit, because otherwise I would have had no sneakers in the house. Everything would have been burnt down.  And, you know, I definitely did. I definitely struggled with disassociation though.  I did. save that for next time. Okay. Save it for next time. Hopefully we won’t forget. I have to remember this. So we’re going to wrap up part one because Kira and I think that was good though.

01:07:27

Yeah, Kira and I realized that we have information, more information that we want to provide you guys. So we’re going to break this up and make a two part. So  we’re going to continue part two later. So I’m not really necessarily going to end this, just stop this and then just press the next episode so you can hear part two  of uh the Deja Vu of pain.  All right. So

01:07:55

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