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Podcast Blog post: Growth in Marriage: 11 Years Later
There are seasons in a marriage where nothing much seems to change, and then there are seasons that quietly rearrange everything. Kalief and I are somewhere in the second kind right now. Our house is getting ready to empty out. My last name finally changed after 28 years together. And we just wrapped up another round of counseling. So I sat down with Kira to give you a real update, the kind I do not do often enough, on where Kalief and I actually stand.
If you are new here, here is the short version. Back in 2014, Kalief had an affair that resulted in a child being born. It was, without question, the hardest thing our relationship has ever survived. I was out of work for three months. I lost a significant amount of weight because I could not eat. I went to counseling on my own before Kalief and I ever went together. It took everything I had just to get through those first months, and honestly, it took years to get anywhere close to okay.
This year marks eleven years since that happened. Eleven years is long enough that I can say, without performing for anybody, that I have genuinely healed from it. But I want to be careful with that word, healed, because I think people hear it and assume it means the memory is gone or that it stopped mattering. That is not what healing has looked like for me. The wound closed. The scar is still there. I am never going to forget what happened, and I do not think I am supposed to.
Kalief and I try to go back to counseling every year or two, even when things are calm, because maintenance matters just as much as crisis intervention. We are wrapping up our latest round right now, and our last session is in two weeks. Our counselor said something recently that stuck with me. He said we let ourselves get a little too complacent, that we get comfortable, and that sometimes one of us is living in the past while the other is living in the future, but neither of us is fully in the present.
That landed harder than I expected. Because he is right. There are moments where I catch myself pulling back from small opportunities to show Kalief love and affection, not because I do not want to, but because some old, cautious part of me is still bracing for impact. I am human. I still operate from fight or flight sometimes when something touches an old nerve. That does not mean I have not healed. It means healing and vigilance can live in the same body for a long time.
One of the most useful things our counselors introduced us to is a framework they call human needs, which works a lot like the five love languages but goes a layer deeper into what actually makes a person feel secure. When Kalief and I each took the assessment separately, without planning to compare notes, we both landed on the same top need: certainty. Feeling present, feeling safe, feeling like the ground under the relationship is solid. Our second need matched too. That was not a coincidence. It told us something true about what we each require to feel steady with each other.
| A Small Thing That Means Everything Since our last round of counseling, Kalief has made one change that might sound small but has done more for my sense of security than almost anything else. Every time he leaves for work, if I am home and not traveling, he kisses me goodbye. Every time. Whether I am asleep or awake. It is not a grand gesture. It is a habit he built on purpose, and it tells me I am on his mind before he has even said a word. |
Something else came out of an earlier counseling session that I still think about. Kalief and I have both committed infidelity in our relationship, though what happened to me in 2014 obviously carried different weight because a child was involved. For a while, if I am honest, some part of me quietly ranked our mistakes. I told myself my infidelity was somehow less serious than his because there was no child attached to it.
Our counselor called that out directly. He told me I needed to let that thinking go, because the moment either partner starts to feel superior or inferior to the other, growth stops being possible. A relationship has to operate on a level playing field. Both people have to be equally willing to look at what they did, own it, and move forward as a team. The second you start ranking whose sin was worse, you have already created a new problem on top of the old one.
That reframe changed something for me. Owning your own part fully, without measuring it against your partner’s part, is not weakness. It is what actually makes repair possible.
People ask me a lot about boundaries, especially when it comes to opposite sex friendships, so let me be direct about where Kalief and I land on this. I do not believe there is one universal rule that works for every couple. What I do believe is that every couple needs to have the conversation and land somewhere on purpose, instead of drifting into whatever feels easiest in the moment.
For us, the biggest one is simple. A person you are just meeting, whether it is at work, at the dog park, wherever, does not need your personal phone number. If it is work related, it goes through a work phone or a work channel. If a new couple enters our life through church or through friends, we set up a group text so that I am talking to the wife and Kalief is talking to the husband, not the two of us texting each other’s spouses directly. We put that structure in place because of what we survived, and it removes a whole category of temptation before it ever has the chance to build.
Because that is the truth about infidelity that people do not want to hear. It almost never starts with someone waking up and deciding to betray their partner that day. It builds slowly, usually through proximity, usually through repeated conversation, usually somewhere outside the home like work or, increasingly, social media. If you remove the slow buildup, you remove most of the risk.
I also pay attention to how Kalief and I get treated when we are out together, because how someone treats both of us at once tells me a lot. If a woman speaks to him and also greets me, that reads as respect to me. If she acts like I am invisible while she is chatting him up, that is a flag. And I expect the same representation from him. When someone is talking to him and I am standing right there, I expect to be acknowledged too. It is not about jealousy. It is about whether the person in front of you is representing your relationship honestly to the world, even in small interactions.
The other major shift happening in our house right now is that we are approaching empty nest life. Our oldest already left for college. Our son goes next year. Our daughter does not live at home anymore either. For eighteen years, the kids have been the center of gravity in our house, the thing that shaped almost every decision. Now we are looking at a future where it is mostly just the two of us again, and honestly, we do not fully remember what that feels like.
I want to be honest that I am genuinely looking forward to it. I do not carry guilt about that. I loved being present for my kids, and I believe we raised good, capable people who are ready to go build their own lives. But an empty nest is still a transition, and transitions ask something of a marriage. When the kids were the shared project, some things about connecting with each other could stay on autopilot. That will not work the same way once it is just us. We are going to have to be more intentional, not less, about staying connected on purpose.
One thing that has already helped with that shift is doing this podcast together. Kalief records an episode with me once a month now, and it has become a real point of connection, mostly because it gives him a reason to sit still. He is an auditory learner, which means he absorbs a conversation just fine while he is moving around, checking his phone, watching the dogs. I am the opposite. I need to sit, make eye contact, and be fully still to feel like someone is listening to me. The podcast forces a version of stillness out of him that our regular conversations do not, and it has let him step into a part of my world that he would not normally enter.
The other big update is that my last name officially changed this year, after 28 years together. Kalief first asked me if I would be willing to make that change a couple of years ago, and I want to be honest that my answer was not immediate. There was a real tension in me. Part of me had grown attached to the idea that we were not legally married, because it gave me a clean boundary around finances, especially when it came to child support related to his affair. Not being married meant that part of our life stayed completely separate from him.
It took me two years to sit with whether changing my name was something I actually wanted, separate from any anger I still carried. When I finally said yes, it mattered more than I expected it to. Taking his name is not the same as a courthouse marriage certificate, and we are still planning a small symbolic ceremony with a close friend officiating, not a legal wedding. But choosing it, on my own timeline, after doing the work to get there, felt like its own kind of healing.
I heard something in a Bible study recently that I have not been able to stop thinking about. Someone described relationships using the image of a valley and a mountain. The fruit only grows in the valley. You climb the mountain, and then you come back down into the valley to gather more fruit. The mountain does not produce anything on its own. The valley is where the growth actually happens.
That is exactly what surviving infidelity has taught me about marriage. It is not the easy, peaceful stretches that build a relationship. It is the hard seasons, the ones that feel like you are down in the valley, that actually produce something you can carry with you. Kalief and I still get on each other’s nerves on a regular basis. We still argue. I do not think that is a sign something is wrong. I think it is proof we are two real, different people trying to build something together, and that requires friction sometimes.
I am not a therapist, and I do not want to be one. I am not a relationship coach either. I only know what my own life has taught me, and I share it because I think it helps to hear that these things are hard for other people too, not just you. If any part of what I have shared here is stirring something up for you, please consider talking to a licensed counselor who can sit with you in it the way ours has sat with us.
This update only scratches the surface of everything Kira and I unpacked in this conversation, including how Kalief and I talk about boundaries with our counselor, what it actually took for us to get to certainty after betrayal, and more of the story behind my name change. Head over to Sherley’s Show to listen to the full conversation with Kira, and while you are there, catch the earlier episode where Kira and I first shared this story in detail. Subscribe so you never miss an episode, and come back to the blog often for more real, honest conversations about love, trust, and rebuild

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